Patriot Hackers, Cyber Vigilantes, and Shot Placement

Friday, May 25, 2012

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Ok, so Ali had a sit down on the podcast station and clarified some things for the skiddies and others interested in the great feud of 2012 between those who believe Jester is doing anything and those who think its a pointless exercise in self aggrandizement.

I suggest you all listen to this podcast before moving down to the next paragraphs to understand what I am saying and why.

Go on… Now… Go… Listen… http://t.co/4f8nOyuP

Clarifications

Ok, so, I am gonna assume you listened to the podcasty thing. Here’s my deal. First off, I never have advocated the arrest of the fools. After all, what have they done but taken down sites that are useful for INTEL operations. For that, yeah, they could get into some trouble because they are getting in the way of things.

However, one might also make the argument, and rightly so, that this is a tempest in a teapot in the grander scheme of things. Why? Because these sites are not the real operational areas of AQ and AQAP in reality.

No... Really... They aren’t.

If you look at the letters and the operational efforts of UBL while he was in Abbottabad, he was using couriers and maybe USB sticks. Otherwise, there were actual handwritten letters and communications that were outside of the electronic world. Why? Because they KNOW we are watching and have a real corner on that market.

So, one can extrapolate that the real use of the sites being looked at and DoS’d by the likes of Raptor and Jester are moderately important if that in the effort of trying to engage WESTERN jihobbyists and that’s about it. I mean, why do you think they are making such an effort with Inspire huh?

…And I will tell you a secret that isn’t so much one.. Inspire ain’t working.

So, once again, these sites are of some use to the likes of certain intelligence and LE agencies to monitor and perhaps have assets within them. Taking them down for any amount of time does nothing but just get in the way and gives the dos-er the ability to crow… and loudly… But I shall cover that in the rant section.

Back to operational matters. So, yeah, where was I? Yeah, these sites are not the main way that the Jihad is being carried out in a physical way. It’s the propaganda machine and no matter what you do, they will be back like one of those clownpunchers so really, why waste all the energy huh?

Overall, I just want you all to understand that unless you work with the system any action you carry out is pointless to the larger war at hand. Just look at how the JSOC got set up with the CIA and other orgs to work TOGETHER to wax UBL huh?

Think on that.

Rants

Ok, so rant begins… Look, once again, the calls of “What does Scot do! He does NOTHING! SHOW US WHAT YOU DO!” is utter self serving crap. See, you guys saying this are just trying to JUSTIFY your actions. I don’t have to justify anything I may or may not do.

In fact, as Ali pointed out, people who work within the system with the powers that be, cannot say “what they do”. It’s part of the way things are done, and to be asking this question so much and so vociferously, shows to me that you all have not worked within the system. **note oblique reference to J and this question specifically, a real operator would not be acting this way nor begging the question**

It is my contention that you all may have good intent, but you are driven more by deep seated needs for attention because you are advertising your actions and not working within the system.

Just one man’s opinion..

So, go ahead and rail all you like. It will not make one bit of difference to me. I am not going to be goaded into saying anything about it, Ali said what he did and that should be enough. I am just going to continue to believe that until you all cut your shit out and work with the system quietly, then you are just looking for a cheap fix of adrenaline and adoration by legions of wanna be’s.

//END RANT

Digital Skirmishes and Silliness

I agree with Ali that the governments need to get a handle on this. If they want patriot hacker units, then they will have them and they will be controlled. As opposed to the Batman vigilante model that we now have here. Frankly that’s what Militias were originally for, to have citizen soldiers and now we have the National Guard, perhaps they need to create and maintain this new warrior class to keep the sanity.

I am sure that if they did this, there would be plenty of volunteers and it might be a good thing. However, as usual, when government gets their hands on anything they usually frak it up somehow.

Live and learn… Then adapt.

All I know right now is this is way out of hand and the stupid has reached epic proportions and it will not go well unless some ground rules are instituted. Thank you Ali for your kind words and you know I am right behind you when it goes down.

K.

Cross-posted from Krypt3ia

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